October 7 2015 Meeting Minutes

General Meeting October 7 2015

Minutes

Date: October 7 2015

Time: 7:00 pm – 9:00 pm

Location: High Prairie Public Library

Attendees:

  • Eathel Carmichael
  • Rusty Knight
  • C S Burgar
  • Brian Hill

Meeting notes: Rusty Knight opened the meeting, calling to order at 7:15 pm

Discussion: ‘Publishers: Traditional vs. Self-publishing’ by Rusty Knight

A short general discussion was held with notes provided on the pros and cons between traditional and self-publishing. The biggest news seemed to be that the author is wholly responsible for marketing of their product in both cases. Fellow members were not aware of this and had several queries about this aspect in particular.

Next meeting: ‘Accountability’

Discussion ended: 7:50 pm

Peer review:

Author: Brian Hill

Piece: 1, writing again

Review: Open

An animated discussion on Brian’s growing and varied styles and abilities progressed. Encouraging Brian to continue to explore new avenues as his work improves with each piece. His characterization is strong and his organization of his pieces is improving.

Author: C S Burgar

Piece: Kevin Greystone

Review: Open / 5

C S has been shy with her work and we eagerly waited for this piece. It came to us late. But we read through it and found the characters strong. Though some continuity needs work and more explanation of events and terms were questioned. Technically strong, the piece was well worth the wait.

End of reviews: 8:35 pm

Closing discussion, Rusty Knight’s piece will be carried through to next meeting with a new piece from Brian Hill and Eathel Carmichael. We tentatively set the year end gathering for December 16th at Peavine Restaurant with dining and a gift exchange for the group.

Meeting Adjourned: 8:55 pm by Rusty Knight

Meeting Schedule:

October 28 2915

  • Rusty Knight Inevitable Unicorn: Uncle Heron
  • Eathel Carmichael?
  • Brain Hill?

November 18 2015

  • C S Burgar?
  • Brian Hill?

December 2 2015

  • Eathel Carmichael?
  • Rusty KnightInevitable Unicorn: Night brigade

December 16 2015

  • Peavine Restaurantgift exchange and dining
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September 16 2015 Minutes

Date: September 16 2015

Time: 7:00 pm – 9:00 pm

Location: High Prairie Public Library

Attendees:

  • Eathel Carmichael
  • Rusty Knight
  • C S Burgar
  • Brian Hill

Meeting notes: Rusty opened the meeting at 7:05 pm

Discussion: ‘World Building: Culture’ by C S Burgar

A discussion was brought forth on the effects development; of culture, time, setting, values, geography and so forth, have on writing. How they help evolve writing and stories with the characters in them. What details to set on your beat sheets and files to help write the character background for all the characters in your stories, to help determine how they interact and react. Their values and actions, what they have available to work with. This system of development works for all fiction writing. As the talk was presented a discussion was involved.

Discussion ended: 8:15 pm

 

Peer Review:

Author: Eathel Carmichael

Piece: Princess of the Animals: Chapter Twelve

Review: Level 5

Found to be improving overall still typographical errors, grammatical and spelling issues.

 

Author: Rusty Knight

Piece: Inevitable Unicorn, Dalan and the missing Priests

Review: Level 5

Not the strongest piece, riddled with typos, grammatical errors and some spelling issues.

End of Reviews: 8:50 pm

No further discussion

 

Meeting adjourned: 8:55 pm by Rusty Knight

Next Meeting October 7 2015

Schedule:

October 7 2015

  • Rusty KnightInevitable Unicorn: Uncle Heron
  • C S Burgar?

October 28 2015

  • Brian Hill?
  • Eathel Carmichael?

May 6 2015 Minutes

Date: May 6 2015

Time: 7:00 pm – 8:36 pm

Location: High Prairie Public Library

Attendees:

Eathel Carmichael

Rusty

C S Burgar

Brian Hill

Emily Jamieson (Skype)

Meeting notes: open meeting at 7:13 by Rusty

Discussion: an open discussion: What is a short story?

  • The discussion defined a story story and its components.
  • We wondered about different types or varieties of short stories and discussed this.
  • Does a series of short stories still qualify as short stories? The answer is yes.

Discussion ended: 7:26 pm

Peer review:

Author: Brian Hill

Piece: April 15 2015

Review: Level open

We found two styles of writing were used. There was a switch part way through, but the overall writing we were all pleased with the piece. This is strong clear writing. Good work.

Again, a good stretch for Brian, with his branching out again into another new area. Well done.

Author: Emily Jamieson

Piece: The Touch of the Forest

Review: Level 5

The story has strong character development, with strong story flow. There are questions on aspects of story developments, particularly on how some of the situations came about. How the antagonist came to the conclusions and actions he did. There are very few technical errors.

Great work.

End of Reviews: 8:14 pm

Confirm meeting schedule:

  • May 27 2015    
  • Rusty – Unicorn-Grandfather – Level 5
  • Brian Hill – ?
  • C S Burgar – ?
  • June 17 2015
  • Eathel Carmichael – ?
  • Rusty – Unicorn-Home fire – Level 5
  • July 8 2015
  • Emily Jamieson – ?
  • C S Burgar – ?

Propose following meeting for August 26 2015

Recommended Reading: ‘The Rule of Three’ Eric Walters: A story of what happens to our society if computers suddenly stop functioning. See for yourself in this novel for young adults.

Meeting adjourned: 8:27 PM by Rusty

March 25 2015 Minutes

Date: March 25 2015

Time: 7:00 PM – 8:20 PM

Location: High Prairie Public Library

Attendees:

  • Eathel Carmichael
  • Rusty
  • Emily Jamieson  (Skype)
  • C S Burgar
  • Brian Hill

 

 

 

 

Meeting notes:

 

Open the meeting at 7:01 by Rusty

 

Discussion: an open discussion on Faith in writing, what is allowed in fiction?

 

The discussion was varied. Ranging from use of religion or faith, by various authors or writers; to how readers might feel about different uses of such topics. The feeling that we came to is that the only person who knows what is allowable is the individual reader. As each reader has a different opinion on what they will accept or how they view a piece of writing. Each piece of writing is viewed differently by different readers. We agreed to give our opinions on when we think each of us is crossing the line of decency in our submissions to each other, as a courtesy to the group members.

 

Next meeting discussion: What is a short story?

 

Discussion ended at 7:19 PM

 

Peer review:

 

Author: C S Burgar

Piece: The Finger Tip of God: Book 1 – The Tomar Prophecy

Review: Level 4

 

Rusty opened the review noting there were very few editing technical errors. The group followed this with noting the only real critique being for improvement to, show more then tell in the second paragraph. The group liked the piece and feel it is well done. The writing flows well. There are strong characters that are well defined. There is a good story line.

 

Good work C S.

 

Author: Emily Jamieson

Piece: Chapter Four

Review: Level 5

 

This piece was well done, only one editing error indicated. There is strong character descriptions. There is strong story flow. Some of the group missed previous writings to this piece, thus they did not fully follow the story. But they found the piece engaging. In discussion with Emily we were able to confirm her questions on direction she was intending. Her descriptions are strong and well placed. Her written intent matches her mental intent.

 

Good work Emily.

 

End of Reviews 8:15 PM

 

Confirm meetings set for: 

  • April 15 2015 
    • Brian Hill ?
    • Eathel CarmichaelPrincess of the Animals: Chapter Eight, Level 5
  • May 6 2015
    • Rusty Unicorn-Grand-fathers, Level 5
    • Emily Jamieson?
  • May 27 2015
    • Brian Hill?
    • C S Burgar?

 

 

 

Recommended Reading: Spirit Animals, Series: ‘Book One: Wild born’ Brandon Mull: A kids series of children bound to animals on whose shoulders which the fate of the kingdoms of Eradas rest.

Meeting Adjourned: 8:20 PM by Rusty

November 26 2014 Minutes

Date: November 26 2014

Time: 7:00 PM to 8:35 PM

Location: Public Library

Attendees:

  • Eathel Carmichael

  • Rusty

  • GW Thomas

  • Brian Hill

  • C S Burgar

Meeting notes:

Open 7:10 PM, by Rusty

Discussion:

Brief general discussion of format for those not present last meeting.

Confirm continuation, with review at future meeting.

Discuss, leading discussions, Cori, Brian and Eathel agree to decline unless they find something of intense interest to them.

G W will lead on a rotating basis if he determines the group is fine with his direction of discussion. All agreed we will inform him if we are not interested in his discussion line. So for now Rusty will lead discussions with input provided by the group.

Group discussion:

“What was the best opening line of a story you have read?”

Group consensus is that the opening paragraph needs to grab them to continue reading. The opening sentence needs to grab them but they give the paragraph a second chance to draw them in. If that fails it is not likely they will continue unless desire is already in them to read the piece.

We find genres nearly dictate the type of opening used.

The group tends towards Fantasy and fiction in general though other genres are read and were discussed.

We find we are drawn in more by openings that start in the middle of the story and are action based. Descriptive opening are also a common drawing. Less so are narrative and reporting.

GW offered the group a hand out to go with the discussion. Submission requirements for the publication, “The First Line’s”

Next Discussion will be: “Do you think it is ever to late to write”

Peer review:

Author: Eathel Carmichael

Piece:Princess of the Animals”

Review: Level 5

A long discussion ensued, including technical issues. The reading was found to need a different view-point, perhaps from the main character’s first person emotional feelings or a secondary characters views on the action and the protagonist. The action was found disjointed and from a bird’s eye view with unnecessary actions included in the writing. It is felt certain aspects needed fleshing out, while others could be left out or minimized. Perhaps using a different format would making understanding the piece easier and might draw in readers better. The piece was found chaotic, an impersonal bird’s eye of the scene and difficult to retain attention or focus on what the intent of the piece was. Being listed as Chapter One but being written as a prolog, this added to the difficulties. We felt we needed some sort of character connection to continue reading any further and that it was lacking this asset.

 

Author: Brian Hill

Piece:September 8″

Review: Level 1 or open

A short discussion ensued. All agreed it was an easy read. Well done, feeling realistic. A good job describing the life of the farm. Good use of character writing. Brian was encouraged to continue with the journal style of writing his fiction.

end of reviews: 8:25 PM

Rusty informed the group the Skype set up is ready for the meetings, we can include Eric when he is ready to start as well as any previous members who wish to be involved long distance once again.

Next Meeting is December 17 2014

in the same room

It will be our annual Christmas party with:

  • Chinese gift exchange, please bring one wrapped book.
  • We each will bring snacks and drinks as well.

December peer review will be of:

  • C S Burgar

  • Eathel Carmichael

This weeks recommended reading is: J. R. R. Tolkien, The Hobbit

Meeting Adjourned at 8:35 PM

November 12 2014 Minutes

Date: 11 – 12 – 2014

Time: 7:00 PM – 8:35 PM

Location:  Public Library

Attendees:

  • Cori S Burgar

  • Eathel Carmichael

  • Rusty

 

Meeting notes:

Open 7:10 pm, by Rusty

Discussion:

General discussion on future meeting format

Opening with the discussion on desired future meeting format.  It was decided to try continuing with the old format on a voluntary basis. With review of desired format at future meetings. Rusty has volunteered to coordinate discussions until we can talk with G.W. for his input and see if he would like to lead the discussion portion of the meeting.

Rusty was given lead for next meeting and it was discussed that anyone who has questions or ideas they would like to see discussed present them through email or text to Rusty. Email these to rusty@laret.org .

The proposed discussions were recommended to be based on story development or writing skills primarily.

Feedback on meetings and ideas are encouraged and can be emailed to Rusty.

To prepare for next meeting the discussion will be:

“What was the best opening line of a story you have read?”

Peer review:

Author: Rusty

Piece: Landquest

Review: open

7:30 pm

Discussion on writing style and how it is for reading the piece. Determined that the style feels like an adventure being narrated by a Game Master. Telling the story instead of showing, in places. Feeling that past/present tense can sometimes be confusing.  Discuss word usage and grammar. Citing examples of confusing word usage and grammar in three location of the piece. Feeling was that it is a good read once understanding the writing style.

Author: Eathel Carmichael

Piece: Princess of the Animals

Review: 5

7:45 pm

Found that we were not ready to discuss the piece fully. Will be first on the review for our November 26 meeting.

Discussion of the piece at a minor level find it works generally and find that Eathel’s style primarily includes humanized animal writings. Eathel asked if certain passages in his piece made sense and if the references made in the piece were understandable.

End of Reviews: 7:57 pm

Closing the meeting confirm that the Meeting will be held on

November 26 2014

Author’s reviewed will be:

  • Eathel Carmichael
  • Cori S Burgar
  • Brian Hill if he is present

A new feature may be an offering of recommended reading:

this weeks recommendation is: Brent Weeks, The Night Angel Trilogy

General discussion followed about our current works in progress and further ideas for future writing.

Meeting adjourned at 8:35 pm

October 29 minutes

Date: 10 – 29 – 2014

Time: 7:06 PM – 8:25 PM

Location: Public Library

Attendees:

– Eathel Carmichael

– Rusty

– Eric J Kregel

– Cori S Burgar

– Brian Hill

 

Meeting Notes:

Open 7:06 pm, by Eric

Discussion: ‘Ain’t it cool’ presenting the use of McGuffins in writing.

The use of this plot device by different writers and how they are used in different genres, examples cited included, Hitchcock, among others. Genres discussed included Sci-fi, mystery and fantasy mainly. In such media as written books, television programs and movies. We included current and past works.

Eric presented a work exercise called, ‘Ain’t it cool?’

With the definition for McGuffins: a plot device so amazing, so unbelievably astounding that a reader would love to visit it despite all of the dramatic conflict and tension wrapped around it.

The genres used to illustrate this were, Sci-fi, Historical Fiction, Fantasy, and Mystery. Discussing various devices usable and how to find these devices. The group came up with devices for each genre discussed.

After the presentation/discussion Eric shared his news of departing to new pastures to expand further upon his experiences. We discussed ways of continuing FoTS and Eric’s future involvement with the group. The moderation is passed on to Rusty and the present members enthusiastically agreed we will continue with the library meetings. Other media was discussed for involvement of out of town members including using Face time, Skype or blogs and a webpage. An experiment with using a projector and laptop is also going to be set up by Rusty for the meetings.

The decision is to set up a Skype connection at our meeting for the meetings starting in December. This is for those unable to physically be at the meetings.

The blog was discussed and agreed it would only be a place for minutes and news for FoTS members. No articles from FoTS members will be posted on it. Meeting discussions will not be held on the blog.

Thus the blog is set as fellowhipofthescribblers.wordpress.com

Web page is not being considered at this time.

Eric was asked to keep in contact and involved with the group as best able in the future. All agreed he is free to drop in on future meetings.

Eric presented an invitation to the members to attend his farewell gathering on Sunday November 2nd.

No writer’s articles were presented for critique this meeting:

Schedule is revised to:

 

November 12 2014:

– Brain Hill

– Rusty

– Eathel Carmichael

 

November 26 2014:

– Cori S Burgar

– G. W. Thomas

 

Meeting adjourned at 8:25 pm

Several remained to chat about current events.