Owerton Challenge Issue 107, E003 Blue Horse Toy

Source: Owerton Challenge Issue 107, E003 Blue Horse Toy

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May 27 2015 Minutes

Date: May 27 2015

Time: 7:00 pm to 7:42 pm

Location: High Prairie Public Library

Attendees:

Eathel Carmichael

Rusty

Brian Hill

 

Meeting notes: open meeting at 7:11 pm by Rusty

Discussion: no discussion held

  • Opened up possibilities of other discussions
  • Discussed pasted items

Discussion ended: 7:28 pm

Peer Review:

Author: Rusty

Piece: Unicorn Grandfathers

Review: Level 5

Found acceptable, good story line, issues with comma is the weakness.

 

End of Review: 7:34 pm

Confirm Schedule:

  • June 17 2015
    • Brian Hill June 8 2015 Open review
    • C S Burgar – ?
    • Eathel Carmichael Princess of the Animals, Chapter 10Level 5 Review
    • Rusty Unicorn Home Fires Level 5 Review
  • July 8 2015
    • Emily Jamieson?
    • C S Burgar?
  • Propose the next meeting for August 26 2015

Recommended Reading: ‘Gregor the Overlander’ by Suzanne Collins; an action packed fantasy for youths in an underworld on the brink of war.

Meeting Adjourned: 7:41 pm by Rusty

April 15 2015 Minute

Date: April 15 2015

Time: 7:00 PM – 8:30 PM

Location: High Prairie Public Library

Attendees:

  • Eathel Carmichael
  • Rusty
  • Brian Hill
  • C S Burgar
  • Guest: Eric Walters

Meeting Notes:

Open the meeting at 7:00 by Rusty

Discussion: The planned opening discussion was not held as we had a guest for the meeting.

We had author, Eric Walters. With ninety-seven books published and over one hundred awards to his credit we were able to spend the entire meeting in discussion with Eric.

Eric discussed his writing process, experiences in the writing world and with publishers. Also we were given glimpses into his experiences in life and his work with charities such as the Kenyan orphanage, Creation of Hope, he helps fund and manage.

He has walked across Kenya with children. Walked across the Sahara desert and climbed Mount Kilimanjaro. Just to name a few. He braved a Canadian blizzard in research for a book, with nothing more than shorts and deck shoes to know what it would be like to try to survive in such conditions.

He informed the group of some of the pitfalls and rewards of working with publishers and other writers. Eric extended to us the benefits and drawbacks of marketing. Remarking on the hard work and dedication it takes to be a fulltime writer and reap the rewards.

To Eric we extend out thanks and appreciation from our group, Fellowship of the Scribblers, as well as the High Prairie Public Library.

May your journey continue as fruitful long into the future with the Creation of Hope.

End of Discussion:8:30 PM

Next Discussion: What is a Short Story?

Peer Review:

Author: Eathel Carmichael

Piece: Princess of the Animals: Chapter Eight

Review: Level 5

The piece is a great improvement over previous work. Eathel’s work is still marred technically and needs editing. The storyline is strong. The characters are good. There are a few missing links in the story.

Improving Eathel, good work.

End of Review: 8:50 PM

Confirmed Meeting Schedule:

  • May 6 2015
    • Brian HillApril 15 2015
    • RustyUnicorn : Grand-fathers, Level 5
    • Emily JamiesonThe touch of the Forest
  • May 27 2015
    • Brian Hill?
    • C S Burgar?
  • June 17 2015
    • ?
    • ?

Recommended Reading: ‘Walking home’, Eric Walters: A families struggle to walk over one hundred miles across Kenya to a new home. The publisher is donating $1.30 of each book sale to Creation of Hope.

Meeting adjourned: 8:55 PM by Rusty

March 4 2015 Minutes

Date : 03 – 04 -2015

Time : 7:00 PM – 8:36 PM

Location : High Prairie Public Library

Attendees :

  • Eathel Carmichael
  • Rusty
  • C S Burgar
  • Brian Hill
  • Emily Jamieson (Skype)

Meeting Note :

Open meeting 7:00 pm by Rusty

Discussion:  an open discussion on Time Travel Paradoxes

Odd, how paradoxes make or break various writings. Believability is the key. To be believable it has to be explainable. If a writer is not able to explain their paradox the reader won’t bother reading. We found many examples of paradoxes that were explained, that otherwise are unbelievable, yet we can believe because of the explanation so we read or watch. Multi verse, time bubble, alternate planes, etc. all are used and we can accepts, but unless the writer explains them we don’t read or pay them any amount of attention. So as writers if we want to play with time, change things in time, or even go back in time without changing things, etc., we need to have an explanation for the reader. Or the reader will reject our writing and us as writers. We can alter reality but we better explain how or why, right away.

 

Next meeting discussion: Faith in writing, what is allowed in fiction?

Peer Review :

Author : Brian Hill

Piece : Feb 11 2015

Review : Open

Noted Brian broke out of his usual writings. Excellent topic, relevant. Great flow. Focused and consistent. Job well done.

Author : Eathel Carmichael

Piece : Princess of the Animals, Chapter Five

Review : Level 5

Noted marred by technical errors. needs a lot of editing. Confusing in several areas. Too many characters in a few scenes. Scenes need work with  wording.

Great plot, Unique story and good flow.

Author : Rusty

Piece : Unicorn Apples

Review : Level 5

Noted marred by several technical errors. two confused scenes. Minor editing issues.

Unique. Strong character definitions, Good flow and well designed. Stands alone as a short story but feels also as part of a larger story.

End of review: 8:28 PM

Set meetings for future:

  • March 25 2015
    • C S Burgar‘unknown’
    • Emily Jamieson Chapter Four
  • April 15 2015
    • Brian Hill‘unknown’
    • Eathel Carmichael‘unknown’

This meetings recommended reading: ‘The Crazy Game’ Clint Malarchuk, a biography ‘How I survived in the creases and beyond’ a wonder in the survival of individual drives.

Meeting adjourned: 8:36 PM by Rusty

February 11 2015 Minutes

Date: February 11 2015

Time: 7:00 pm

Location: High Prairie Public Library

Attendees:

  • Eathel Carmichael

  • Rusty

  • Emily Jamieson (Skype)

  • Brian Hill

  • C S Burgar

 

Meeting Notes:

Open meeting: 7:10 pm by Rusty

Discussion:

Trope versus Genre’

Meeting opened with rough definition of genre and brief history of classical genre classification. Mention of sub-genres. Moved on to Tropes and if they are themes or the same as themes. Came to conclusion the theme is what the whole piece is about over all, with the plots derived from that. Tropes are the devices used to build or carry out the theme and plots. There will be many tropes in a piece to do this. We used examples of known works, and then delved into our own writing using C S Burgar’s and Rusty’s writing as examples to draw from. The group gained a clear understanding for the group of the differences in tropes versus genres, theme and plots.   Determining that a trope is a device to carry out a theme or plot in various ways. And that multiple trope may be used to do so at any time. The group focused mainly on fantasy writing for our examples. Such as conflict, good versus evil, romantic involvement, problem solving, dramatic, setting, quests, irony, metaphors, etc.

Next meeting discussion will be: ‘Time travel paradoxes’ how do we resolve them or use them?

End of Discussion: 7:44 pm

Peer Review:

As no submissions had been present for pick up, no reviews were conducted.

In the in box for review at this meeting now are:

Brian Hill: Feb 11, 2015

Rusty: Unicorn Apples

Eathel Carmichael: Princess of the Animals; Chapter Five

Emily Jamieson: Chapter Four

End of Peer review: 7:45 pm

Meeting ending:

Confirm dates of next meetings. Confirm Skype works well with Emily.

Confirm with group Rusty is working administration and any suggestions, questions can be addressed to him through; phone, e-mail of contact directly. Discuss blog and supply group with address. Gather feedback and ideas.

 

Meetings:

  • March 4 2015
    • Brian Hill                           – Feb 11, 2015
    • Eathel Carmichael        – Princess of the Animals: Chapter Five
    • Rusty                                   – Unicorn Apples
  • March 25 2015
    • C S Burgar                        –
    • Emily Jamieson             – Chapter Four
  • April 15 2015

This meeting’s recommended reading: ‘Steelheart’ by Brandon Sanderson. Stories of ‘Epics’; who as it turns out all manifest as evil, every one of them.

Meeting adjourned: 7:50 pm by Rusty

Notice February 3 2015

Hello everyone:

A reminder our next meeting is February 11 2015 at 7:00 PM at the High Prairie Library.

Skype will be available for those desiring to attend, at:

fellowshipotscribblers

This meetings discussion will be:

 Trope vs Genre.

As well our writers presenting will be:

G W Thomas

Brian Hill

The following meeting is set for March 5 2015

with presenting writers being:

Rusty

Eathel Carmichael

Thank you for your time:

Rusty

January 21 2015 Minutes

Date: January 21 2015

Time: 7:00 PM to 8:50 PM

Location: High Prairie Public Library

Attendees:

  • Rusty

  • Eathel Carmichael

  • Brian Hill

  • C S Burgar

Meeting Notes:

Open the meeting, 7:16 PM by Rusty

Discussion:

G W Thomas was unable to attend so no Group Discussion was conducted.

Next meeting discussion: Trope versus genre, definitions and discussion.

Discuss group size and recruiting or adding applicants: Consensus agreed to was a moderate size but additions will be welcome. Both directly and through Skype at future meetings. No finite rule on group size but all are happy with current membership as we are comfortable with each member now. A few names of recruits were submitted and discussion agreed to encourage these people to join the meetings.

Peer Review:

7:32 PM

Author: Eathel Carmichael

Piece: “Princess of the Animals: Chapter Two”

Review: Level 5

A lengthy discussion began with notes on grammar, spelling, word usage and editing. Followed by a discussion on the aspects of the piece that included many inquiries on intent of style, word usage and structure. Ideas were discussed. Eathel was encouraged by the group to continue with his writing as it has unique aspects we want to encourage and see more of. A little more attention is needed to structure and editing. Suggested he turn off his word correction editor in his document writing, as it frequently uses incorrect words.

Rusty’s rating: 4/5 uniqueness, 2/5 editing

Author: C S Burgar

Piece: “The Fingertip of God: Book 1”

Review: Level 5

A discussion revolving around the construction and structure of the piece resulted in confirmation that the piece is an outline for her future work. The story was discussed in detail. We asked C S many questions on her intent and what the future writing is going to be. Discussed the build up, background and structure of the story.

Rusty’s rating: 4/5 uniqueness, 4/5 editing

End of Reviews:

8:24 PM

We discussed future meetings and set the schedule to the end of March. We determined in an unanimous vote to schedule meetings regularly for every three weeks, as possible.

Future is:

  • February 11

    • Brian Hill

    • G W Thomas

  • March 4

    • Rusty

    • Eathel Carmichael

  • March 25

    • C S Burgar

    • To be determined at next meeting

This weeks recommended reading: none

Meeting adjourned: 8:46 PM by Rusty

December 17 2014 minutes

Date: December 17 2014

Time: 7:00 PM to 8:35 PM

Location: High Prairie Public Library

Attendees:

  • Eathel Carmichael

  • Rusty

  • G W Thomas

  • C S Burgar

  • Brian Hill

Meeting Notes:

Open the meeting, 7:10 PM by Rusty

Discussion:

G W Thomas will moderate the next meeting group discussion: Plots

Also as a group we confirmed an agreement on membership expansion, setting our rough guideline on membership numbers to around eight full time members. We are fine staying with six, we are open to a few new members joining.

Group discussion: “Do you think it is ever too late to write?”

Question was put forth and a general discussion started.

A second question brought up, was, how a writer writes a short story.

Initial discussion was to consider how long a short story is. The group came to the conclusion that it depends on the publication printing the story and the author. The more famous the author the more leeway they have in length of their story. Discussed several publications and examples were, from 500 to 10.000 words with around 3,000 to 8,000 common. Most publications trying to keep the stories to less than 5,000 words.

Writing a short story is a challenge as most in our group find when they have a story it comes out long, editing smaller is difficult. GW presented to the group that to learn to write a shorter piece, try writing Micro Fiction pieces of less than, either, 500 words or 100 words, to train ourselves to tell a story in as few words as possible.

Plot and structure were discussed with our consensus being to keep to one primary plot with only one or two subplots.

Try being brief but building the setting enough to tell the story without losing the reader in confusion.

Another suggestion was to just simply blurt out everything in writing, without limit or editing, then when the story is recorded, edit to a short story appropriate to the situation desired for print.

Discussed methods reported of other author’s style and methodology of writing.

Which brought us back to the age question. Comparing writers to musicians. Writers can seem to perform at any age once they learn the basics of the craft, whereas musician seem to have a shelf life, needing to achieve popularity before thirty and most fall from popularity after around thirty years age. Where, on the other end, a writer can proliferate even in their eighties and older.

Many writers gain popularity after fifty years. That in fact, writers continue to improve their skills with maturity, getting better as they practice the craft.

Short story writers seem to be prolific throughout their career, it is generally recognized by the group that writers change style, format, even genre as they mature in their writing. Writers are almost continually shifting their focus.

Consensus of the group being it is never too late to write and practice the craft. Recognizing that our desire changes as we age, in our types of work we write, that most authors simply write because of a need to express themselves.

Peer review:

7:47 pm

Author: Eathel Carmichael

Piece: “Princess of the Animals: Chapter Two”

Review: Level 5

A brief discussion discovered the group was confused as to which piece was being reviewed of Eathel’s, most were not prepared to review this piece at this meeting.

With each member now having the proper piece, the review is tabled to next meeting.

Author: C S Burgar

Piece: ?

Review:

C S had not submitted her piece, as she had a few questions for the group regarding what direction she should pursue.

C S was given feedback and she handed us a piece four pages long to review.

Review was tabled to next meeting.

C S asked for a level 5 brutal review.

Piece title: The Fingertip of God: Book 1

Author: Rusty

Piece: “Sky Doll birds”

Review: Level 5

Rusty had prepared a filler piece submitted in the previous week.

Group nominated to do a peer review of the work today.

Feedback was generally positive.

The writing is marred by a few punctuation errors, but overall it is fun to read, one grammar issue noted.

A suggestion was to use fewer adverbs, also to use less information setting up the mystery, to draw in readers to question the reality. Both comments were noted by their presenter as personal preference when they read and write.

The group found it is a good piece for humour, it is known to be part of the ongoing story and was found to be a side break relieving the reader momentarily from focus on the larger whole story.

The setting was slightly bare but as the group read previous work in the setting, they found this was adequate.  But if it were a standalone piece they would want more back setting.

End of reviews: 8:26 PM

As this was also our year end, and Christmas meeting, we all brought snacks, gathering an assortment of cookies and cupcakes to consume during the meeting.

After peer review we had our Chinese gift exchange. We started with Brian and worked counter clockwise around the room.

C S didn’t bring a gift, but Eathel brought an extra, so it worked out fine and we were all happy to include C S in the gift exchange.

In closing, we set the next two meetings for:

January 21 2015:

  • Eathel Carmichael, “Princess of the Animals: Chapter Two”

  • C S Burgar, “The Fingertip of God: Book 1”

February 11 2015:

  • G W Thomas, to be submitted

  • Brian Hill, to be submitted

This weeks recommended reading: none

Meeting adjourned at 8:35 PM